Obama and keystone - to my American friends

I will ask the moderators to leave this one up in here for a while if possible

So today the American government rejected the construction of the keystone pipeline in your country.
I am curious to see how many of you realize how many jobs he just crushed for your economy and a few up here in Canada, 10s of thousands.
I do not see a strong future in job creation in your country with your current government.
China , who is challenging us around the world, has said it will take all the oil Canada can produce.If we are to get our economy back on track , and be competitive around the world, we must realize that fossil fuels, such as oil , natural gas, and coal are keys to prosperity, '' FROM ONE OF YOUR SENATORS"

Seriously my American friends wake up and see what Obama is doing to your country.
Thanks for letting me rant.

I just saw it on the news, unbelievable!!!

Idiot. That's all I got.

Bottom line is that Obama's job is more important to him than a job for thousands of Americans, along with the stability of a study source of oil for our country. The voters of this country better wake up.
Because this a web site for our Wildcats, and I am a moderator, I will refrain from commenting any further, even though I am mad as that fiery place down below.

I read this in the local paper today, i thought i would post this


Contacted by the Sun, colourful U.S. billionaire Donald Trump bemoaned what he calls his country’s lack of leadership on a vital economic lifeline.“It’s an outrage our president isn’t approving the Keystone pipeline,” he said through a spokeswoman who reached Trump in Florida.
“And Canada is lucky to have superior leadership to our’s.”
Trump — who’s become somewhat of a kingmaker in the U.S. Republican leadership primaries — says Obama’s decision last month to delay until 2013 the approval of the $7 billion project sending Alberta oilsands product to Gulf Coast refineries snuffs out 20,000 jobs it’d create.

For all the good it will not do, I just sent an email to Mr Obama concerning his stupid move, further damaging this country and economy and crushing jobs. I usually do not do anything like that and who knows what will come of it.

Environmental lobbyists - 1

Economic growth - 0



TC

I wasn't surprised by this move at all. Just further put off by liberal methods of destroying this country.

An independent study of the project concluded that the true number of jobs created by the pipeline would’ve been much lower than 20,000. …. This oil was always destined for overseas. It’s just a question of whether it leaves Canada by way of Canada, or it leaves Canada by way of the United States. The oil has not and is not intended for domestic consumption. The republicans are trying to rush this for their gain in this years election. Obama wants a study to re-route the pipeline to minmize eco problems. Delaying this project doesn't help Obama in this years election. If anything it will go against him. But, he is willing to put aside any political gains over this project.

It ain't over till it's over! I think this one is going to cause the atmosphere to get very warm for our Commander In Thief. Mayber Congress will step in and change something (not). But one of the downsides for the big-O on this is his standing in the next election. This one hurt too much of his base not to count against him.

Here in Nebraska, the environuts spent millions campaigning against this coming thru the state. The unicameral even looked at two different directions for it to pass thru to appease them; one would take it thru the sand hills, and the other would take it more directly over the aquifer that gives Nebraska most of its water supply. They managed to con the voters into believing that it would either pollute the pristene sand hills or irreparably damage the ogallala aquifer, both a huge lie! But, money talks...

Years ago when this was first proposed, it was supposed to run parallel (more or less) with US 75, which will eventually become one of the main north-south corridors connecting the northern U.S. border with the southern.

TC

If you are old enough to remember the 40's and 50's , you know that our country is in a steep decline. It is a good time to let God back in the good ole USA. He can repair what mankind has screwed up.

Maxtor wrote:If you are old enough to remember the 40's and 50's , you know that our country is in a steep decline. It is a good time to let God back in the good ole USA. He can repair what mankind has screwed up.

I agree. Problem is, there's no money in it for those in high places.

TC

TC wrote:

Maxtor wrote:If you are old enough to remember the 40's and 50's , you know that our country is in a steep decline. It is a good time to let God back in the good ole USA. He can repair what mankind has screwed up.

I agree. Problem is, there's no money in it for those in high places.

TC

I agree with you also Maxtor we need God back here in Canada too.

He's a tool but he's gone in November. All the smoke and mirrors wont get it done next time. & Canada is cool.

This was posted on Energy and Capital



When Obama first announced he would delay the decision, it was only a matter of time before he caved to the pressure.

And to be fair, can we really expect anything less during an election year?

It turns out the uproar over the project centered around the section of the pipeline running across Nebraska and the Ogallala Aquifer:


The opposition insists an oil leak here would be devastating to the water supply.

And yet, the 25,000 miles of pipeline already in place (2,000 miles of which are located in Nebraska) isn't drawing their ire.

For the record, that's 730 billion barrels of oil that cross the entire aquifer each year (again, more than 100 million of that figure travel through Nebraska's portion).

And let's forget for a minute the 20,000 (and as many as 100,000 related jobs) that come as an added bonus to the pipeline.

This isn't a sudden brand-new issue at play; oil has been piped across the aquifer for decades.

No, there's a much bigger reason Obama fumbled this decision...

Why OPEC Cast Its Vote for Obama

You see, the environmentalists weren't the only ones protesting the pipeline, clapping with joy when Obama rejected TransCanada's application on Wednesday.

He had the full support of OPEC, too.

Even Chavez was secretly wiping the sweat off his brow. After all, an additional 830,000 barrels of Canadian oil per day flowing south into Texas would mean our oil imports from Venezuela would be the first on the chopping block.

Why would that put Chavez in a bind?

We've been doing a fairly good job of limiting our exposure to Venezuelan crude over the last few years:




We know that Venezuela's oil supply isn't the most attractive around — and it doesn't hold a candle to the light, sweet stuff flowing from areas like North Dakota.

We're talking about heavy, sour production that's more expensive to refine.

And if you want to see how crucial the quality is to refiners, call to mind the situation that unfolded last summer when Libya's oil production was shut-in.

In good form, the Saudis decided to pick up the slack until Libya's exports could get back up and running. The problem, unfortunately, was that many of the European refineries weren't able to handle the low-quality crude that makes up Saudi Arabia's spare capacity.

This is what it all comes down to: more Canadian oil means less from more volatile sources like OPEC.

Normally, we could just end things here. What was a no-brainer for Obama turned out to be a disaster.

But why would the government be worried about shunning Canadian imports? Canada really has only one true customer, right?

Well, that's not exactly true...

We've grown so accustomed to Canadian imports that we're taking them for granted.

And that that could be the worst mistake we ever make.






Politics Killed the Pipeline — Not the Profits

Look, it's no shock my hockey-loving friend was still excited after the Keystone pipeline rejection.

Companies like Enbridge already have a plan in motion. Instead of relying on the United States, they're ready to connect to a whole different oil-consuming beast.

And that project just got a little boost of support from the Canadian government.

Following Obama's indecision, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper reiterated his plan to expand Canada's customer base.

Earlier today, he was quick to point out that “the 'decision' by the Obama administration underlines the importance of diversifying and expanding our markets, including the growing Asian market.”

And there you have it, folks.

Harper spelled it out, plain as day...

If the U.S. doesn't want it, China will get it.

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A very enlightening read indeed!! Living in Nebraska, I'm well aware of all the political-special interest group wrangling that's been going on within the borders of our fine state. And as mentioned in a previous post, millions in advertising was spent to mislead the public.

I got a feeling it ain't over yet though. Might as well Obama's decision, end of round 1.

TC

Article from tonight's Omaha World Herald...

http://www.omaha.com/article/20120120/NEWS01/701209923#nebraska-unsure-on-next-step-in-pipeline-fight

TC

I'm wondering how this guy sleeps at night, knowing he just screwed the people of Nebraska

Most of Nebraska didn't vote for him, so he probably doesn't care!!

TC

Before everyone is so quick to jump on the transcanada band wagon.....and the "temporary jobs it will create, and the land it will take by eminent domain and its wonderful safety record.....we should all look at the real facts and not just the ones tainted with "oil companies" biases or green house nuts. After all the oil companies have been so good to the the general public for years. IMO this is just another example of big oil companies getting their way.....and in the end selling more off to China and foreign interests. Not saying I completely agree with the administrations decision, but I think this sounds like a double edged sword.

http://www.tarsandsaction.org/spread-the-word/key-facts-keystone-xl/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/us/transcanada-in-eminent-domain-fight-over-pipeline.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

Yes it would be horrible to receive a steady oil source from a friendly country which would help to reduce the gas prices here. It would be much better to continue being ripped off by Opec where most of the countries hate us.


We all have our individual opinions on this thread. Time to put this thread to bed.

Write the president, I did this numerous times, about the Keystone Pipeline. In my opinion, it makes good sense because it will create jobs , but more importantly, will give us the oil to become less in need of foreign oil. USGS estimates that there is more than 8 times the amount of oil in the Bakken basis in ND than Saudi Arabia has that is recoverable. They are worried about the ecology, but it seems to me, that it is would be a lot easier, and cheaper, to contain a pipeline leak then when a tanker gets a leak or a well in the Gulf of Mexico leaks. Ok, I am down off of the soapbox but seriously write the president a letter, if you agree or don't, but let him know.

I think this has been a very good thread with very good input. Everyone has been very civil.
Strong opinions can cause hard feelings, so I am going to lock this thread before that happens. Everyone did a great job in keeping it friendly.

Maxtor