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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 11/16/2011, 8:42 am

Hmmmmm, just got looking at the federal sticker on the side of the WC 313RE and I noticed it said ST235/80/16 load E...80psi cold...but the tires on the rig are load range D..65psi cold.... Since I have had to replace one tire already in less than 10k miles due to seperation and had to put on new spare to replace the 2nd tire which is cupping, I am wondering if these tires that came from the factory are not overloaded? The new tire I bought was a load range E. [too much hassle to get the warranty taken care of] The tires that were replaced were on the right side. The left side tires (D range) look to be wearing on the outside edges, both in/out. Since the E range is 80psi and the D range is 65psi, I am wondering if this mixing will cause any problems? I still think I need an alignment, but local WC dealer/repair place said I dont.....sorry, I dont have much faith in them at this time... When I get back from the desert in 2 weeks, will check out and see if I can find a place to do the alignment. On my old WC F27 I went thru tires, also mainly on the right side, and I swore the axles were bent, but the WC repair place told me that was normal!! huh.....?? Wildcat Chris..........any comments on the different load range listed on the side of the unit compared to what it came with from the factory?? Maybe it doesnt matter...dunno...


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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/16/2011, 12:07 pm

I'd say they installed the wrong tires on the line. Mine came with the 16" wheels I ordered but 15" tire labels and 15" spare. You can't force or pay a person to care so these things happen. But shouldn't there be a quality inspection done to make sure the correct options, tires, labels and such are installed??

Took a while (dealer fought me hard over it) and I did get the correct tire and vin labels to match the 16" wheels.


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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 11/17/2011, 4:14 pm

This morning I took a drive over to my WC dealer, and went right in and sat with the owner, not messing with the repair dept at this time, and told him what I had found, and he too thought they might have put on the wrong size. He happen to have another 313RE out in the lot, and sure enough, the sticker says load range E and I check the tires on the rig and they indeed were E's. So, into the repair office we went and he had them email the factory and question them about this. Personally I think they need to replace all 4 tires and the one I bought, make it my spare, since it is new. Told me to check back with them week after next for any info. I am waiting without holding my breath...but with 2 failures within less than 10k miles and others showing wear, something sure isnt kosher.


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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/17/2011, 5:34 pm

I'd email Rod Batts right away about it. Its a major dot issue as well as safety.


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Post by jetskier on 11/19/2011, 6:34 pm

Unless you have 7000# axles, the load range E doesn't make a difference. The LRE tires are rated at 3500# each while the LRD tires are rated at 3000# each (for the 6000# axles).

It's a misprint on the label. They just slap on the 235/80r16 tires they have. If they were smart they'd just spec D range tires. I'm noticing a lot of 235/80 are now just LRE's as of late.

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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/20/2011, 4:50 pm

jetskier wrote:Unless you have 7000# axles, the load range E doesn't make a difference. The LRE tires are rated at 3500# each while the LRD tires are rated at 3000# each (for the 6000# axles).

It's a misprint on the label. They just slap on the 235/80r16 tires they have. If they were smart they'd just spec D range tires. I'm noticing a lot of 235/80 are now just LRE's as of late.


Some Wildcat's come standard with 15" D's with optional 16" E's. Bigger Wildcats come standard with 16" E's. Won't let you add more weight but gives you a better tire that is a bit overkill and will last longer and not likely to blow out. 15" D's are so close on weight ratings and so prone to fail. So much so, Wildcat has stepped to 16" E range tires.

ST235/80R16-E is rated for 3420 lbs @ 80 psi per tire

ST225/75R15-D is rated for 2540 lbs @ 65 psi per tire


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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/20/2011, 4:52 pm

John&ConnieNeeley wrote:Hmmmmm, just got looking at the federal sticker on the side of the WC 313RE and I noticed it said ST235/80/16 load E...80psi cold...but the tires on the rig are load range D..65psi cold.... Since I have had to replace one tire already in less than 10k miles due to seperation and had to put on new spare to replace the 2nd tire which is cupping, I am wondering if these tires that came from the factory are not overloaded? The new tire I bought was a load range E. [too much hassle to get the warranty taken care of] The tires that were replaced were on the right side. The left side tires (D range) look to be wearing on the outside edges, both in/out. Since the E range is 80psi and the D range is 65psi, I am wondering if this mixing will cause any problems? I still think I need an alignment, but local WC dealer/repair place said I dont.....sorry, I dont have much faith in them at this time... When I get back from the desert in 2 weeks, will check out and see if I can find a place to do the alignment. On my old WC F27 I went thru tires, also mainly on the right side, and I swore the axles were bent, but the WC repair place told me that was normal!! huh.....?? Wildcat Chris..........any comments on the different load range listed on the side of the unit compared to what it came with from the factory?? Maybe it doesnt matter...dunno...



Is the tires on your trailer 15" D range or 16" D range?

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Post by jetskier on 11/20/2011, 5:14 pm

[quote="Mopar_Earl"ST235/80R16-E is rated for 3420 lbs @ 80 psi per tire[/color][/b][/quote]

3520# @ 80psi. I rounded to 3500.

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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 11/26/2011, 7:38 am

Earl..... it came from the factory with 16" D's.... this RV gross's out at 15K... I am sure they are the 7000# axle... same RV now on lot has 16" E's, so I think they threw on, litterally the D's... On the ground now is 3-D's and 1-E (replacement) with a worn D as my spare...

I will talking with the dealer on Monday, as just got back from week in the desert...




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John&ConnieNeeley wrote:Hmmmmm, just got looking at the federal sticker on the side of the WC 313RE and I noticed it said ST235/80/16 load E...80psi cold...but the tires on the rig are load range D..65psi cold.... Since I have had to replace one tire already in less than 10k miles due to seperation and had to put on new spare to replace the 2nd tire which is cupping, I am wondering if these tires that came from the factory are not overloaded? The new tire I bought was a load range E. [too much hassle to get the warranty taken care of] The tires that were replaced were on the right side. The left side tires (D range) look to be wearing on the outside edges, both in/out. Since the E range is 80psi and the D range is 65psi, I am wondering if this mixing will cause any problems? I still think I need an alignment, but local WC dealer/repair place said I dont.....sorry, I dont have much faith in them at this time... When I get back from the desert in 2 weeks, will check out and see if I can find a place to do the alignment. On my old WC F27 I went thru tires, also mainly on the right side, and I swore the axles were bent, but the WC repair place told me that was normal!! huh.....?? Wildcat Chris..........any comments on the different load range listed on the side of the unit compared to what it came with from the factory?? Maybe it doesnt matter...dunno...



Is the tires on your trailer 15" D range or 16" D range?

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Post by jetskier on 11/26/2011, 8:34 am

7k axles are 8 lug wheels is the easiest way to tell. I doubt you have more than 6k axles.

You can get 15k GVWR with 6k axles and a 3k pin weight.




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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/26/2011, 4:56 pm

Never heard of 16" D tires. Doesn't make sence to use such a thing. You want 16" to carry more weight but it wont if its a D range. Cheap cheap cheap.


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Post by Wildcat Chris on 11/26/2011, 4:59 pm

Mopar_Earl wrote:Never heard of 16" D tires. Doesn't make sence to use such a thing. You want 16" to carry more weight but it wont if its a D range.l

I've never heard of them used on a Wildcat either...?

Even our 15" tires are 'E' rated now.

I'm not sure what's going on with this, but I'll find out more info when I can...

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Post by jetskier on 11/26/2011, 5:02 pm

Mopar_Earl wrote:Never heard of 16" D tires. Doesn't make sence to use such a thing. You want 16" to carry more weight but it wont if its a D range. Cheap cheap cheap.


I had them new. They are more common than you think. They carry 3000#, that's not cheap, cheap, cheap.

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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/26/2011, 5:09 pm

Wildcat Chris wrote:
Mopar_Earl wrote:Never heard of 16" D tires. Doesn't make sence to use such a thing. You want 16" to carry more weight but it wont if its a D range.l

I've never heard of them used on a Wildcat either...?

Even our 15" tires are 'E' rated now.

I'm not sure what's going on with this, but I'll find out more info when I can...


That's what I thought, Chris. Maybe you were shipped D's by mistake?? I'd never ever buy a D rated tire. D range are just too close to there limit. Than if its a cheap chinese tire you're really looking for blow outs. E range are so much safer provide you mantain correct air pressure.


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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/26/2011, 5:25 pm

jetskier wrote:
Mopar_Earl wrote:Never heard of 16" D tires. Doesn't make sence to use such a thing. You want 16" to carry more weight but it wont if its a D range. Cheap cheap cheap.


I had them new. They are more common than you think. They carry 3000#, that's not cheap, cheap, cheap.



16" E ST tire is rated @ 3420 lbs
16" D ST tire is rated @ 3000 lbs
15" D ST tire is rated @ 2540 lbs

Most people are going from 2540 to 3420 when going from 15 to 16 wheels. Yes a D range 16 is better than 15" D. But a 16" E is better yet. I'd feel safer with 16" D's but feel a lot better with 16" E's.
Thanks for letting me know 16" D's exist. I even looked them up cause I've been buying 16" tires all my life and never heard of D. Always E and higher.

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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 11/29/2011, 4:48 am

Word yesterday was that WC is replacing all 5 of the D's with E's.

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Post by Mopar_Earl on 11/29/2011, 10:32 am

John&ConnieNeeley wrote:Word yesterday was that WC is replacing all 5 of the D's with E's.


Sweet! E's are much safer. Not to mention now your tires will match your DOT label.

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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 12/31/2011, 3:41 pm

I'm still waiting...............the song and dance I got from my dealer says the tires arrived from Oregon plant, but were the wrong size !!!! ????

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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 1/4/2012, 4:52 pm

You'll never guess what they sent for replacement.............dont fall over laughing.............
4 -15" tires and rims
1 -16" tire and rim

and of course I need 5-16" "E's"..It cost them over $200 in shipping and also to be sent back, then another +$200 to send the correct ones.. Personally, if they were thinking stirthepot , they'd had me go to my local tire shop and have the correct ones put on at $145 each x 4 (already have 1-16" replacement). I am still waiting of course and my trip to Quartzite is coming up in 2 weeks.

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Post by John&ConnieNeeley on 2/15/2012, 12:44 pm

Finally got the correct size and load rating tires mounted this week from the dealer. They could see the uneven wear on the D rated tires. One thing though.......they didnt take off the existing wheel weights !!! So, going to take it to the tire shop tomorrow and have all 5 of them rebalanced...again....

What a hassle this has been....not my dealer but WC in Oregon... wrong size sent; 15's instead of 16's, etc... it would have been cheaper for WC if they had let me go to my local tire dealer and have them replaced instead of shipping back and forth... It cost WC approximately $500 in shipping, since they had to do it twice.. Kinda wonder about who's running the store?? Not a good management decision, indeed.

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