Smith & Wesson

My cousin Connie, who has a horse ranch (and numerous other animals) in Northern California wrote this:

"Last night after dark I went to feed and as I turned on the water spigot I saw a large rattle snake coiled in the corner of my pump house not 12 inches from my hand. I went to the house turned off the pump and got my Smith and Wesson 357 and loaded it with Glasser Safety slugs which don't ricochet and have controlled penetration so I wouldn't blow out the side of my pump house. He didn't survive our encounter."

Tater

I hope them slugs were "California approved", that being "NO LEAD" because some ugly Condor could come down and sweep that Rattler away out of your hand and eat it, then die of Lead Poisoning !! It has been proven that Condors die from not Lead Bullets but from eating Lead Wheelweights found along side the road; nice and shiney ones. California has such wonderful laws...

I'm sure Connie wouldn't have anything but something that is approved in CA.

Tater

I have snake shot for my 9mm and I know they have rounds for 357's.
Here's a link you can send them.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=757831

Yep, snake shot is cheap and effective and comes in most common handgun calibers. Glasers have teflon tips and were originally made as anti-personnel rounds. They'll ruin an intruder's day!!

TC

We have a Kimber 1911 .45 cal. with laser sights for the snakes that our Judges are going to let out of jail for overcrowding. 33,000 here in California. 600 in Shasta County. It will be interesting to see the spike in violent crimes after their release. We do have a .357 and use snake loads for the long skinny snakes. The .357 uses .38 cal. snake loads.

By the way,,, Eagles taste a lot like Osprey.

Scruffy and Tater wrote:My cousin Connie, who has a horse ranch (and numerous other animals) in Northern California wrote this:

"Last night after dark I went to feed and as I turned on the water spigot I saw a large rattle snake coiled in the corner of my pump house not 12 inches from my hand. I went to the house turned off the pump and got my Smith and Wesson 357 and loaded it with Glasser Safety slugs which don't ricochet and have controlled penetration so I wouldn't blow out the side of my pump house. He didn't survive our encounter."

Tater

If it were my wife,,, the snake would not have survived, but neither would the pump house.

Maxtor wrote:If it were my wife,,, the snake would not have survived, but neither would the pump house.

I suddenly have images of someone screaming frantically while firing in all directions!!

TC

TC wrote:

Maxtor wrote:If it were my wife,,, the snake would not have survived, but neither would the pump house.

I suddenly have images of someone screaming frantically while firing in all directions!!

TC

Exactly right..

Richard Mondavi wrote:I have snake shot for my 9mm and I know they have rounds for 357's.
Here's a link you can send them.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=757831

Thanks Richard, but the website says "Discontinued by the manufacturer" - otherwise I would surely have sent it to them.

Tater

TC wrote:Yep, snake shot is cheap and effective and comes in most common handgun calibers. Glasers have teflon tips and were originally made as anti-personnel rounds. They'll ruin an intruder's day!!

TC

I'm sure Connie ruined THAT intruder's day! There aren't many things that scare her, and I'm sure she stayed calm throughout the whole incident. BTW, that is exactly what she would call it - an incident.

Tater

Scruffy and Tater wrote:

Richard Mondavi wrote:I have snake shot for my 9mm and I know they have rounds for 357's.
Here's a link you can send them.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=757831

Thanks Richard, but the website says "Discontinued by the manufacturer" - otherwise I would surely have sent it to them.

Tater

Try here...Also our local gun shop has them in stock.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2CCI3738-1.html

Thanks, Maxtor. I'll send this info on.

couple weeks ago there was a big rattler crossing a small back road on the way home from work,,,, I stopped to look at it, and another guy came out from his house with a shot gun,
I told him to shoot it about mid way of its body, so I could get the rattlers off. He Says OK ,,,,, Then commences to emptying the clip on the snake, I mean this snake was flying through the air in a million different pieces. The guy was a great shot, and needless to say he wasn't concerned about me wanting to cut the tail off. Or either he was trying to cut it off for me. But after 5 rounds of 12ga buck shot there wasn't much left, I just started laughing - said Oh Well, got in the truck and left. I can't blame the guy though , the snake was huge, and had just crawled through the guys yard , I'd probably have done the same.

Many years ago, before I retired, I came home and the wife said, come and look what is in the back yard. Behind the shop was a snake that was shot full of holes, ".22 caliber rifle" which she uses for this type of occasion, which has a 15 round tubular magazine. The rifle was empty of shells, the snake was full of holes, and the back of the shop had three holes in the wall.
The moral of this story is,,,, don't mess with the wife, and nothing is safe when she starts shooting.

We have rattlers up the wazoo on our claims in California. But we've never had much call to exterminate very many. They usually vamoose or give plenty of notice. The ones who give plenty of notice are usually the ones who get exterminated.

BTW, did you know rattlesnakes taste just like chicken?? NOT!!
However, they DO taste just like rattlesnake!!

TC

Maxtor wrote:We have a Kimber 1911 .45 cal. with laser sights for the snakes that our Judges are going to let out of jail for overcrowding. 33,000 here in California. 600 in Shasta County. It will be interesting to see the spike in violent crimes after their release. We do have a .357 and use snake loads for the long skinny snakes. The .357 uses .38 cal. snake loads.

By the way,,, Eagles taste a lot like Osprey.

We have a 380, 45, 12 gauge, and a 8mm Mauser for them folk. We take the 380 and 45 with us along with about 60 rounds of ammo when we travel in this lovely USA,

I stumbled upon a 5' rattler in my garage some years back. Ran panicking into the house to get a gun. Ended up with a 12 gauge. One shot did it, but the pattern on the wall was something that CSI would have had fun with. Funny thing was that he still wanted to fight even though he was in two places. Moral of the story is that I now have snake loads in .389, 9mm, .38, .40, .45 & 44mag. (There is no such thing as overkill)

robertz675 wrote:
Moral of the story is that I now have snake loads in .389, 9mm, .38, .40, .45 & 44mag. (There is no such thing as overkill)

TC

Thank God NH has a threshold law. If he comes across the threshold of your home, it proves deadly intent, which in this state is enough to respond with deadly force.

Either that, or after the deed is done, drag him inside.

schrowang wrote:Thank God NH has a threshold law. If he comes across the threshold of your home, it proves deadly intent, which in this state is enough to respond with deadly force.

Either that, or after the deed is done, drag him inside.

Your state has common sense.. Here in Kalif. if someone invades your home, you have to run out the back door and call 911, as you wait for the police, the bad guys clean you out.
Now if there is another bad guy at the back door,, you are now a statistic. Now another new law, when you do have to shoot to protect yourself, you can only fire two rounds, then evaluate, before you can fire a third shot. Of course the bad guys are not following the law, so they will empty their clip on you.

Maxtor: Someone better inform the Kalif. Bad Guys not to move or visit where I Live or Camp if they want to continue living. I didn't realize your State had such Stupid Laws, no wonder we only spent a few days in the Northern part of the state back in 2006. Guess I had better check Colorado Laws now that we are living here. Jim

Maxtor - Do not know where U get your info but down here in the CCW classes we are not saying the same thing. It must be a break end which means doors must be locked at all times. Also how much you fire depends on long it takes to neutralize the threat. If it takes 4 rounds any more is excessive. Also it depends if you are disabled or not. In town or out in the country can be different.

California (California Penal Code § 198.5 sets forth that unlawful, forcible entry into one's residence by someone not a member of the household creates the presumption that the resident held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury should he or she use deadly force against the intruder. This would make the homicide justifiable under CPC § 197 [3]. CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his ground and defend himself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger ... has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating."

http://www.gunlaws.com/cgog.htm for CA.

If you keep a gun in your home, here are some basic things to keep in mind if you ever have to shoot an intruder: You may be charged with a serious felony crime and you may be sued by the intruder or his survivors. Phone calls to 911 are always recorded and are often played back in a courtroom before a jury. So what should be said during the 911 call? The basics are, “There has been a break in and a shooting at (address). Send an ambulance. I am the resident. I am a (male/female, age, race, description of clothing worn). The other resident(s) is/are (male/female, age, race, description of clothing worn). Please hurry.” In a best case scenario, the 911 call will not be made by the shooter but rather by another resident (unless you live alone). If you call 911, anything you say beyond the basics may increase your chances of criminal prosecution and may hinder your defense. After the 911 call, you should call an attorney. Remember that you have no duty to talk to police and you have the right not to incriminate yourself (and I will add, as a caution, one of my favorite sayings, “The spoken word is like toothpaste; once it comes out, it does not go back in.”). The Fifth Amendment right to remain silent is a personal right which must be invoked by the suspect, rather than by the suspect’s attorney. The police will try to question you, so remember these words, “I invoke my right to remain silent and my right to an attorney.” Law enforcement officers are trained and skilled in effective interrogation methods so do not swayed by their promises or threats. There is a substantial likelihood that you will be taken into custody so also be aware that any phone calls you make from jail will be recorded so if you must make phone calls from jail, keep your words to a minimum for example, “I have been arrested. I am in the (name of county) jail and my booking number is. Please call my attorney.” You should not discuss your case with law enforcement officers, other inmates or your visitors (except your attorney). A qualified criminal defense attorney can investigate and interview you, then decide how to present the evidence in the manner most favorable to your defense. If you are jailed, it may take time to arrange for your attorney to assist in obtaining your release from custody.

Commiefornia's (aka Mexifornia) laws is so vague, best hope they use a Phaser like on Startrek so they'll disappear.. here is some of what the law says..... sorry, if they bust down my door and I have no where to go, lead will be slung and take the browbeating afterwards..

Use of a Firearm or Other Deadly Force in Defense of Life and Body

The killing of one person by another may be justifiable when necessary to resist the attempt to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime, provided that a reasonable person in the same or similar situation would believe that (a) the person killed intended to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime; (b) there was imminent danger of such crime being accomplished; and (c) the person acted under the belief that such force was necessary to save himself or herself or another from death or a forcible and life-threatening crime. Murder, mayhem, rape, and robbery are examples of forcible and life-threatening crimes.

Self-Defense Against Assault

It is lawful for a person being assaulted to defend himself or herself from attack if he or she has reasonable grounds for believing, and does in fact believe, that he or she will suffer bodily injury. In doing so, he or she may use such force, up to deadly force, as a reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances would believe necessary to prevent great bodily injury or death. An assault with fists does not justify use of a deadly weapon in self-defense unless the person being assaulted believes, and a reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances would also believe, that the assault is likely to inflict great bodily injury.
It is lawful for a person who has grounds for believing, and does in fact believe, that great bodily injury is about to be inflicted upon another to protect the victim from attack. In so doing, the person may use such force as reasonably necessary to prevent the injury. Deadly force is only considered reasonable to prevent great bodily injury or death.
NOTE: The use of excessive force to counter an assault may result in civil or criminal penalties.

Protecting One’s Home

A person may defend his or her home against anyone who attempts to enter in a violent manner intending violence to any person in the home. The amount of force that may be used in resisting such entry is limited to that which would appear necessary to a reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances to resist the violent entry. One is not bound to retreat, even though a retreat might safely be made. One may resist force with force, increasing it in proportion to the intruder’s persistence and violence, if the circumstances apparent to the occupant would cause a reasonable person in the same or similar situation to fear for his or her safety.
The occupant may use a firearm when resisting the intruder’s attempt to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime against anyone in the home provided that a reasonable person in the same or similar situation would believe that (a) the intruder intends to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime; (b) there is imminent danger of such crime being accomplished; and (c) the occupant acts under the belief that use of a firearm is necessary to save himself or herself or another from death or great bodily injury. Murder, mayhem, rape, and robbery are examples of forcible and life-threatening crimes.
Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry had occurred. Great bodily injury means a significant or substantial physical injury. (Penal Code § 198.5.)
NOTE: If the presumption is rebutted by contrary evidence, the occupant may be criminally liable for an unlawful assault or homicide.

Defense of Property

The lawful occupant of real property has the right to request a trespasser to leave the premises. If the trespasser does not do so within a reasonable time, the occupant may use force to eject the trespasser.
The amount of force that may be used to eject a trespasser is limited to that which a reasonable person would believe to be necessary under the same or similar circumstances.

Limitations on the Use of Force in Self-Defense

The right of self-defense ceases when there is no further danger from an assailant. Thus, where a person attacked under circumstances initially justifying self-defense renders the attacker incapable of inflicting further injuries, the law of self-defense ceases and no further force may be used.
The right of self-defense is not initially available to a person who assaults another. However, if such person attempts to stop further combat and clearly informs the adversary of his or her desire for peace but the opponent nevertheless continues the fight, the right of self-defense returns and is the sam
Source(s):
http://law.justia.com/california/codes/p…

Thank you for adding to my post.

It requires common sense which some people do not have and a lot of our leaders in Sac are lacking. Washington D.C. included with that.