Cost of a new 2011

I saw a new 2011 chevy crew cab 4x4 2500HD D/A sitting out by the edge of the dealership last thursday so i stopped and looked. This silverado was fully loaded , the sticker price w $60,837. On friday i took my daughters car to the ford dealership for service and while i was there i walked around and looked at the F250 crew cab 4x4 diesels and there sticker was $61,424 now both dealerships did have cheaper diesel trucks on there lots , the chevy dealer said that they have sold 2 new 2011 and the ford dealer said that they have sold 6, 2011 in the last two weeks, Just makes me wonder how high the price will go to own a new TV.

The ford must have been a Lariat trim, I think the King Ranch would be closer to 68K.

I did an online build a a couple of days ago for a 2011 Ford XLT and it came in around 46K. Here in our area, summers are very hot, so leather seats are not desirable. Cloth seats only come in the XLT. Since we only have Luke,, "our dog" he fits very nicely in the SC back seat. We do not need the crew cab. We are getting close to our end of our 5 year warranty, so that is why I am thinking about getting a new truck. We could buy a extended warranty, but we are checking out what the difference it would be to upgrade to the new truck. The positives are: More hp and more torque, 400 hp and 800 ftlbs. of torque, and new warranty.
Negatives are : Only comes in 3.31 non posi differential for single back wheels. When we ordered our 2006 truck we ordered it with 3.73 posi. We also ordered 4x4, but found out we do not use it. So the 2011 would be two wheel drive, and no posi.... Might be a problem without posi. The 2011 would have to be ordered from the factory also, because there are "zero" trucks equipped like I want here on the west coast. I am waiting on a call from our local Ford dealer with a quote for the above truck. He had to call the factory and get information.

I just came back from the dealership, and they came up with a little over 46K with all rebates and tax, license and registration. Rebates were - $2,500 and tax license and registration was + $4,600. The salesman said that here in California, just add 10% of the cost of the vehicle for license, tax and registration.
In 2006 when I purchased our truck, Oregon charged me $185 for four years of registration.
This year, "four years later" here in California I paid $600 for one year for the same truck for registration.

California is not user friendly.

Ford is using the change in diffy ratios by going from 3.73 to 3.31 to help it meet the EPA fed standards for mileage. The lower the ratio the better the mpg ...... course you can't tow a Radio Flyer wagon with the d$#&@#m thing no less a trailer.

Yes you are correct...better mpg at lower rpm.

Now with 3.73 gears I run 70 mph at 2000 rpm "best torque for 6.0 engine" in sixth gear.

Ford claims it's 6.7 diesel has peak torque at 1600 rpm. With 3.10 gears, the truck would be doing 67 mph at 1600 rpm in sixth gear. So if their advertising is correct, it would make the new engine work fine with the taller gears.
I just do not like having power to only one wheel. Maybe that is why it is difficult to find a 2011 6.7 without being a 4x4.

2006 6.0 torque 560
2011 6.7 torque 800

In an earlier post i said i wonder how high the cost of an new TV will go up to in the future, well while on the ford lot yesterday i saw a 1/2 ton parked up on the ramps and a salesman said that they no longer are making the lincoln truck and have replaced it with a F150 truck called the PLATIUM F150,The sticker price is $48,953, so if a 1/2 ton can cost upwards of 50 grand what will a 3/4 ton eventurly cost.

in 1979 I had a old toyota hilux truck ,,, Sold the toyota , a dirt bike, and all my cows and raised about $3000.
My dad kicked in $1000 and I went and bought a brand new F150 for $4,000 cash. It was a plain jane truck with no radio, vinyl floor cover and seats with a 302 v8 engine.
It was from a local dealer that supplied trucks to the kaolin mines in the area. When I handed over all that cash I thought I'd just bought a house.
My dad and some of you guys can remember buying cars for $300 and thought you were buying a house.
So In comparison= Brand new F150 for $40K = you still fill like your buying a house.

Ok,,, lets talk time machine.... I remember my first car I purchased with my own money was $25. It was a 1948 Plymouth. I saved and upgraded to a 53 Dodge for $50. a year later.

I've got a picture of my dads first ride,,,, A 1946 Indian Chief.
I can't remember what he said he paid for it, but I bought and sold a 1947 Indian chief a few years ago and he was kinda sad he didn't hang on to the one he had when he saw how much I sold it for. And by the way its somewhere in Calif Maxtor.

Just before I went into the Navy 1964, I bought a 500 one lung Indian. I bought it used, so do not know what year it was built. I do know that it was to much bike for me. I sold it to my younger brother when I entered the Navy in 1965. In 1983 I bought a new Honda V45 Magna, and sold it in 1999 when I had my hip problems and could not ride. It had 24k miles on it. Now with new replacement hips, I am thinking about buying something. Any ideas??
Remember,,, old man,,, bad rider.....

I'm kinda digging the new Polaris " Spider " . I've seen a few dart'n around the mountains in N. GA. Look pretty fun , mostly older guys I've seen riding them.

I've watched Rotax engines take a beat'n on the flat tracks and still Kick Butt, probably one of the toughest engines around. lots of hop up stuff you can do to Rotax's

the spiders kinda remind me of a snowmobile on wheels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GLSTyvONNc

Actually, the Spider is built by Can-Am which is part of the Canadian company BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products). Polaris would compete with their American motorcyle line "Victory".

Back to the cost of a new vehicle, I just bought a new 2010 Silverado Crew Cab 4x4 LTZ with the Duramax & Allison in July. MSRP was $67,315 (canadian dollars). Back in 1999 I bought my house for $69,000 !

Of course with the employee pricing and cash rebates that were offered, the truck was about $51,000

With the price of new tow rigs you just about come out cheaper buying a mid size tractor like the durastar 4400 and have a smaller car/truck for everyday use.

Maybe you can't get it with the 4x2, but I just took delivery of a 2011 F350 4x4 diesel (company truck) that has a 3.73, electric locking rear axle.

Scottz

Have you driven it enough to verify the mileage claims of 20+ with the new Superduty?

(company truck) that has a 3.73, electric locking rear axle.

Scottz, they must have GPS tracking on the trucks to keep ya'll from going off road and trail riding ? Unless its a dually,,,, them wide breakaway fenders would deter that.


Honker, your right about the Can-Am, just had polaris stuck in my head for some reason..

Maxtor wrote:Yes you are correct...better mpg at lower rpm.

Now with 3.73 gears I run 70 mph at 2000 rpm "best torque for 6.0 engine" in sixth gear.

Ford claims it's 6.7 diesel has peak torque at 1600 rpm. With 3.10 gears, the truck would be doing 67 mph at 1600 rpm in sixth gear. So if their advertising is correct, it would make the new engine work fine with the taller gears.
I just do not like having power to only one wheel. Maybe that is why it is difficult to find a 2011 6.7 without being a 4x4.

2006 6.0 torque 560
2011 6.7 torque 800

I was told that overdrive is locked out when you engage tow haul. 5th and towing should get along very well with those specs.

I wonder how this new engine will be on the Ford trucks.

The 2011 with dual rear wheels comes in a 3.73

Portagie1968 wrote:I wonder how this new engine will be on the Ford trucks.

It seems to be fine so far. There is one on the dealer lot that is similar to mine, but 11 years newer. It's quiet and cost $62k MSRP so my cost would be in the low 50s. My brother was idling it at his bay door to do the 400/800 upgrade and running it to prevent lot rot. I was idling behind it. I didn't realize it was running until I noticed the exhaust dripping water. All I heard was my truck. The take off power (seat of the pants) seemed to be the about the same as my 7.3L with all my mods. I'm sure it's a taste better since it has a 6 speed transmission. It probably performs better while towing with the extra gearing. I'm sure if it had 3.73s, it would feel stronger. It was a Lariat with all the bells and whistles.

As noted before, even with 3.31 or 3.54, the 6 speed should be able to put the engine revs in the sweet spot for maximum torque while towing.

Maybe in 2012 or 2013 I'll look at it. I can't justify as I'm just rolled over 106k miles on my 2000. It's just a baby.

Still trying to find the sweet spot on my 2004 6.0. Seems to be about 65 MPH.

Portagie1968 wrote:Still trying to find the sweet spot on my 2004 6.0. Seems to be about 65 MPH.

Dan,

Try and find the hp and torque specs for your engine in terms of rpms. They should be on the net somewhere; maybe the Ford site or one of the Ford forums. On my 5.9L HO CTD the sweetspot is 2,000 rpm which turns out to be about 62mph in 6th with a 4.10 diffy.

Portagie1968 wrote:Still trying to find the sweet spot on my 2004 6.0. Seems to be about 65 MPH.

this seems to be my sweet spot but I would be breaking the law over here in the U.K. as the limit for my outfit is 60mph max, so I just roll along with the trucks at 56mph and stay legal.
Sean

We had a brand new 2011 F-350 Dually in yesterday for a Reese Elite 5th wheel. Very nice truck. King Ranch package. From inside, you can hardly hear the motor. I was blown away by how quiet the truck is.

Sean wrote:

Portagie1968 wrote:Still trying to find the sweet spot on my 2004 6.0. Seems to be about 65 MPH.

this seems to be my sweet spot but I would be breaking the law over here in the U.K. as the limit for my outfit is 60mph max, so I just roll along with the trucks at 56mph and stay legal.
Sean

Our limit is 55 in good old CA. On a good road I just let it roll between 63 and 65. Truck seems to be designed to do that. If I can not I stay at 55 to help the engine operate better.

BayouDude wrote:Scottz

Have you driven it enough to verify the mileage claims of 20+ with the new Superduty?

No, just barely have 1000 miles on it; the upfitter had it for 3+ weeks. I have a service body and it weighs about 10500. The computer says avg mpg is 13. Maybe it will get better.

Maxtor wrote:
2006 6.0 torque 560
2011 6.7 torque 800

I'm a little upset with Ford. Yes, the pickup version of the 6.7 produces 400hp/800lb torque. The chassis cab has the same engine, but a different turbo system (looks the same as that used on the 6.0) and is derated to 300hp/660lb torque. It performs just about the same as my 2005 6.0; actually, the 6.0 is quicker. The derating appears to have something to do with the EPA and emissions; thanks tree huggers.

So beware, the engine in the pickup and the engine in the chassis cab are different. Have to read the fine print. It probably does not matter much; I doubt many out there are purchasing a chassis cab.

2005 6.0: 325hp, 570lb torque
2011 Chassis Cab 6.7: 300hp, 660lb torque
2011 Pickup 6.7: 400hp, 800lb torque

Having said this, it is still a nice truck and has plenty of power (have not pulled my 12k lb Snocat yet, but will soon). I was just looking forward to 400hp. Oh well, the sync system is very nice.

Just picked up my new service vech. 2011 F250 4X4 6.7 when I shut the engine off only had 50.4 miles on the OD. Still wondering what kind of milage I'll be getting? Goingfrom Denver to Amarillo on Wed. Lets see what happens. In town was at 10.

From what I've read in all the sales literature, the de-rating of both the Ford and Dodge 450/4500 chassis engines has nothing to do with "tree hugger's" but has everything to do with marketing. They believe the operators of these commercial grade trucks are more interested in fuel economy (or as they put it; Cost of ownership) than all out performance.

Scott Z, Clearly your term "tree hugger" is clearly meant to be an political knock ~ is that the direction this site is going?
I don't know if I'm a "Tree Hugger" or not (never been an "activist") but I would prefer that a few of them stick around so we have someplace to go camping, enjoy the outdoor lifestyle and pass something on to our children.
If that makes me a "Tree Hugger" then so be it.